Auction Participation Prerequisites? (Closed!)

Auction Participation Prerequisites?

  • Auctions don't need prerequisites!

  • Yes, please! People should have an account that is at least a week old to post or bid on an auction

  • Yes, please! People should have 5 feedback before posting or bidding on an auction

  • Yes, please! People should have both a week old account & 5 feedback to post or bid on an auction

  • Yes, Please! People should have both a week old account and have to have left 10 comments on threads

  • Yes, Please! People should have both a week old account and have a total of 5 feedback/vouches!

  • Yes, Please! People should have both a week old account and have 3 feedback

  • Please comment your opinion and I will be glad to add it to this poll as an option! Dont vote this!


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Bun

GITD Whore & Owner of the Moor!
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I don't mind at all! I actually have a screen shot of the reddit comment as well, if you'd like me to PM it to you. I remember a few scammers way back in the day on the old BD forums (I lurked, so fortunately I didn't have problems) so I always search a user's history prior to buying or selling. So far I haven't had any issues.
yes please! i vvould very much appreciate that!

I love the BD subreddit, I really do. But man, sometimes people get way too pissy there.

To stay on topic, I voted for 1 week and 10 comments. I think it's too much of a barrier for scammers or trolls, but not such a barrier that it might scare people away. It's pretty easy to see if someone is just posting to reach the count or if they're here because they like the forum and want to partake. It will also hopefully make the rest of the forum more active. Just about every board that isn't in the Marketplace is pretty dead.
i guess thats true, if you see someone spamming, keep an eye on em lmfao i agree that the rest of the site is dead, but such is the nature of forums being outdated. its just still the best method to sell toys though.

Tbh it's really hard to tell people's intentions. I would suggest if someone bids and backs out on multiple auctions you leave negative feedback on them so we know for next time as well.
i agree! people really should start leaving negative feedback. i knovv anxiety and backlash is something people fear, but it's really more important to protect your fellovv community members from people than getting a little heat from someone vvho needs to get called out.
 

raspberrri

Well-known member
This has probably already been said but I don't think feedback requirements are fair since people often don't leave feedback on sales.
Vouches would be better, but 5 seems high. I think 3 is better.
But I don't like that this excludes new buyers. Maybe an auction toy is the first toy someone is interested in buying. I don't think it's fair to exclude them.
 

GammaTheDickNiffler

Moderator
Staff member
yes please! i vvould very much appreciate that!



i guess thats true, if you see someone spamming, keep an eye on em lmfao i agree that the rest of the site is dead, but such is the nature of forums being outdated. its just still the best method to sell toys though.



i agree! people really should start leaving negative feedback. i knovv anxiety and backlash is something people fear, but it's really more important to protect your fellovv community members from people than getting a little heat from someone vvho needs to get called out.
*EXACTLY*
Shitty behaviour continues if it's not brought up and dealt with.
 

grey-daze

Member
I have been thinking more about this... And personally, I think in terms of what moderators should be responsible for, the week-old account rule is sufficient. If an individual auctioneer wants to require anything additional (forum activity or feedback), I think that could be left to their discretion, as long as the requirement is objectively measurable and stated clearly at the time of auction start.

Edit: maybe not objectively measurable, but something that can be verified
 

Kittylordsavior

The one with the Dick Shelf
Staff member
I have been thinking more about this... And personally, I think in terms of what moderators should be responsible for, the week-old account rule is sufficient. If an individual auctioneer wants to require anything additional (forum activity or feedback), I think that could be left to their discretion, as long as the requirement is objectively measurable and stated clearly at the time of auction start.
What if an auctioner knows they want to make an auction soon, opens an account with a different username and then makes an auction a week later? Without the feedback, comments, or vouching there is nothing to stop an auctioner from driving up their own auction under a different username. Its just a thought.
 

Bun

GITD Whore & Owner of the Moor!
Staff member
Really thankful the Wisconsin scammer hasn't showed up here, in regards to shitty behavior. They prolly know it's gonna be hard to scam users here since that state popping up raises flags.
they did. vve caught them tvvice actually lmfaooo they savv vve covered our shit and i guess stopped? there vvas also someone vvho vvas trying to sue them, idk if thats vvhy they stopped? never did hear about hovv that ended up


I have been thinking more about this... And personally, I think in terms of what moderators should be responsible for, the week-old account rule is sufficient. If an individual auctioneer wants to require anything additional (forum activity or feedback), I think that could be left to their discretion, as long as the requirement is objectively measurable and stated clearly at the time of auction start.

Edit: maybe not objectively measurable, but something that can be verified
i thought for a second the auctioneer picking vvas a good idea, and it is in theory, but this also prevents (sorry community, ik you're great but good people sometimes do bad things) auctioneers from being able to artificially bump the prices on their auctions as vvell. to be honest its a bad idea for an account to just be a vveek old. its a terrible idea lmfaooo if everyone really vvants it then it'll happen, but an auctioneer can just premake an account before they do their auction and then just do the same shit vve are trying to prevent. people are acting like only a vveek old limitation vvill do anything, but it vvont. i'm not gonna complain since it looks like its gonna vvin, but its an absolutely useless option. -shrug-


....i totally vvrote all of that before i read kitty's post lmfaooo but yeah exactly that.
 

Kittylordsavior

The one with the Dick Shelf
Staff member
they did. vve caught them tvvice actually lmfaooo they savv vve covered our shit and i guess stopped? there vvas also someone vvho vvas trying to sue them, idk if thats vvhy they stopped? never did hear about hovv that ended up




i thought for a second the auctioneer picking vvas a good idea, and it is in theory, but this also prevents (sorry community, ik you're great but good people sometimes do bad things) auctioneers from being able to artificially bump the prices on their auctions as vvell. to be honest its a bad idea for an account to just be a vveek old. its a terrible idea lmfaooo if everyone really vvants it then it'll happen, but an auctioneer can just premake an account before they do their auction and then just do the same shit vve are trying to prevent. people are acting like only a vveek old limitation vvill do anything, but it vvont. i'm not gonna complain since it looks like its gonna vvin, but its an absolutely useless option. -shrug-


....i totally vvrote all of that before i read kitty's post lmfaooo but yeah exactly that.
I agree that the one week old account only option is a bad option and won't prevent anything.
 
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Bun

GITD Whore & Owner of the Moor!
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I agree that the one week old account only option is a bad option and won't prevent anything.
the best i can do is try to make people informed about vvhat they are doing, but i guarantee you that people dont care enough to fully read all of vvhats going on and i'm sure most didnt even read vvhat i vvrote and just voted based on vvhat the vote said Dx but i have been very very pleased that even if people disagree that they did read and they are commenting. i'm very happy about hovv much the people vvho do care are shovving it!
 

Skunkie

Moderator
Staff member
I have been on the site for roughly two months and have managed to acquire more than 5 feedback, have managed to post in excess of 10 posts, met some great people, even executed three trust-based trades.
If I was still currently prohibited from bidding on auctions because there was a three month probationary period, I would be frustrated but understanding of that. I am not specifically advocating a 90-day period: my point is that a newcomer can reasonably expect a limitation on their ability to sit down at the high roller table. I think a somewhat protectionist stance is not only excusable but prudent.

As far as more tenured members with insufficient feedback: now is the time to address that. Much as Bun suggested these rules be hashed out and enacted before the rush, any current members desiring the ability to bid should ensure that that requisite feedback exists. I'm certainly guilty of excitedly opening the mail then straight up forgetting to leave feedback (I do that on ebay all the time!) *^.^* Pehaps now is a good time to flood each others inbox with legitimate requests for delinquent feedback, with an amnesty on bad feelings.

I assume the vouch would carry the same weight but not specifically be transaction based. I made a post a month or so ago about a possible badge or star that would be in the feedback column to show someone had completed trust trades, not sure of the logistics behind making that happen, but I think that is an additional voluntary tool that might help further demonstrate a person's trustworthiness.
 

grey-daze

Member
What if an auctioner knows they want to make an auction soon, opens an account with a different username and then makes an auction a week later? Without the feedback, comments, or vouching there is nothing to stop an auctioner from driving up their own auction under a different username. Its just a thought.
i thought for a second the auctioneer picking vvas a good idea, and it is in theory, but this also prevents (sorry community, ik you're great but good people sometimes do bad things) auctioneers from being able to artificially bump the prices on their auctions as vvell. to be honest its a bad idea for an account to just be a vveek old. its a terrible idea lmfaooo if everyone really vvants it then it'll happen, but an auctioneer can just premake an account before they do their auction and then just do the same shit vve are trying to prevent. people are acting like only a vveek old limitation vvill do anything, but it vvont. i'm not gonna complain since it looks like its gonna vvin, but its an absolutely useless option. -shrug-


....i totally vvrote all of that before i read kitty's post lmfaooo but yeah exactly that.
Replying to both simultaneously so you both get notified. Sorry for being a little slow about this, it's a lot for me to try to express.

I can definitely see your point. The week requirement is not difficult to circumvent, and I hadn't thought about the fake bid angle. It is certainly a tricky line to walk, because you need to balance protecting long-term members of the community with being inclusive of those who are new to it.

I am not sure my true feelings match up with the poll options available. I have probably changed my vote ten times since this was posted. :unsure: So, just to clarify something: how would you track that someone has been vouched for?
 

grey-daze

Member
So, just to clarify something: how would you track that someone has been vouched for?
I guess what I'm asking is, would it be possible for the feedback form to include "I am the... " with some kind of option to say you are vouching for the person without a sale or trade? Or did you have something else in mind?
 

Bun

GITD Whore & Owner of the Moor!
Staff member
Replying to both simultaneously so you both get notified. Sorry for being a little slow about this, it's a lot for me to try to express.

I can definitely see your point. The week requirement is not difficult to circumvent, and I hadn't thought about the fake bid angle. It is certainly a tricky line to walk, because you need to balance protecting long-term members of the community with being inclusive of those who are new to it.

I am not sure my true feelings match up with the poll options available. I have probably changed my vote ten times since this was posted. :unsure: So, just to clarify something: how would you track that someone has been vouched for?
tbh i'd only feel like asking people for vouches if they aren't already an established member of the community. auctions last for at least a vveek and so they have time to talk to me or any staff member about them.
 

Skunkie

Moderator
Staff member
To clarify: I assume vouching would only be required if an active worthy member had not somehow achieved a feedback of 5+, otherwise it seems a redundant process...and also something that would be relatively rare I should think.
 

Bun

GITD Whore & Owner of the Moor!
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To clarify: I assume vouching would only be required if an active worthy member had not somehow achieved a feedback of 5+, otherwise it seems a redundant process...and also something that would be relatively rare I should think.
yup! exactly that, but i mean, even so, some community members like phelvia and cat have already proven themselves vvithout vouches so its just like a thing vve impliment vvhen vve dont knovv someone.
 

Skunkie

Moderator
Staff member
yup! exactly that, but i mean, even so, some community members like phelvia and cat have already proven themselves vvithout vouches so its just like a thing vve impliment vvhen vve dont knovv someone.
Lol I originally had "as in Phelvia's case" at the end of my last post but that felt too familiar so I chopped it ^.^
 
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Eilalae

Active member
I’m new to this site, but not new on Reddit, so
I have to figure out how feedback works which isn’t an issue, I’ll def do it. I was wondering if there is any way to get feedback from Reddit sales? Or Reddit vouches? I’ve purchased and sold a few on there.
 

Bun

GITD Whore & Owner of the Moor!
Staff member
I’m new to this site, but not new on Reddit, so
I have to figure out how feedback works which isn’t an issue, I’ll def do it. I was wondering if there is any way to get feedback from Reddit sales? Or Reddit vouches? I’ve purchased and sold a few on there.
sorry, i dont knovv people on reddit enough for them to be vouch vvorthy people. i knovv my community members and i knovv vvho has been here and vvho is trustvvorthy here. I can't say the same for reddit. the best you can do is vvhat bonbon did and ask reddit peeps vvho have DM accounts if they vvouldn't mind popping on to give you a feedback
 
I was one of the few who voted no prerequisites on auctions. Given the other options, and due to my own personal opinions, it seemed the best choice to me.

Looking at the options that include prerequisites, my thoughts are as follows:

A week old account - this is pretty much nothing and in my opinion, provides very little benefit. There may be a few scammers who are in a hurry and don't want to hang around, but a week is not long and is not difficult to avoid. Literally it's just time and is easy to acquire. If a scammer wants to scam by hosting a quick auction, it would simply require them to wait a week and then go about their business. However, I am hesitant to suggest a longer time frame... While in my opinion, a longer waiting period would possibly be more discouraging for a scammer, it again is not difficult to wait out and it also has the risk of turning off actual potential participants. Generally, if someone is holding an auction, I imagine they want the largest audience possible, but perhaps I'm off base in that assumption.

Five feedback - this may be the best option out of all of them in my opinion, but is still kind of meh. What if someone is only selling a RR or other toy they wish to auction? Possibly slim, but could happen. I also do not think feedback is widely used, and not everyone sells things only on DM. What about someone who has multiple positive experiences elsewhere?

Ten comments - like waiting a week, comments are easy to make. Will they be required to be medium or high effort? If so, what does that look like and who decides? This, in my opinion, is not a good demonstration that someone should be trusted.

Five vouches - My question with this one is where will these vouches be requested? I've been in this community long enough to see drama... People who dislike each other... This could work, but also could be extra drama. Maybe I'm jaded and cynical. I also wonder about those who are not scammers but who may be new, shy, too busy / no desire to participate in the community / etc. What if they would like to participate but for whatever non nefarious reason don't have anyone to vouch for them?

I think that's the reason reddit was so popular to sell on was because it's easy and quick, doesn't take a lot to get started, there's not lots of rules you have to learn / follow, and you don't have to use it for anything else if you don't want to. Anyone can start at any time.

I understand the desire to protect those who are already here, but when I think about other suggestions for what I think would be fair and a better option, I can't think of any because my answer is still no prerequisites. We're all adults here. We should all be educated about how to use PayPal to keep ourselves safe. Buying / selling online will always be a risk and I'm of the opinion that people shouldn't be treated like scammers until they give a reason to be treated that way.

I'm not a scammer and having so many rules is a turn off for me. I've seen similar rules on other forums and multiple times it's prevented me from participating. Maybe I'm the only one who feels that way, but I think these would all provide a false sense of security. A scammer can still scam if that's really what they want to do. I guess I prefer more freedom, even if it requires more responsibility from myself to be more vigilant.

After I've written all this, I just realized... Is the rule that requires proof of every bid still in effect? If that's the case, everything I just wrote may be pointless in regards to my own participation as I find that rule an invasion of participant's privacy and is exactly the kind of micromanagement I'm not a fan of. I also dislike the rule of limiting auctions only to DM. Again, narrows one's audience and is unnecessarily accusatory. But perhaps now I'm off topic...
 

Skunkie

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Allowing the same freedom here that apparently made reddit so easy to sell and eventually get scammed on, yet expecting different results, seems unlikely.
 
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